On 12/11/00 4:56:00 PM, rodney wrote:

>>>My question: Do you actually feel this locus of breathing as it shifts from the chest area and migrates down to the perineal area?

>On 12/10/00 10:50:00 AM, Jack wrote:
[snip, see previous post for details...]

>>The main thing I think is to tune in to what YOU are feeling and ASK your body to help you REMEMBER how to have the experience. I say REMEMBER because this information is CODED IN to your DNA, and every cell in your body wants to experience this life force energy!

>Great idea.

Thanks for letting me know what's helpful!

> Thus far, I can report that
>I have experienced overall feelings of
>sensual pleasure accompanied by an acute
>awareness of my physical self, my
>muscles, sinew, my body. It's hard to
>explain.

This is a GREAT sign!!! This shows that your erotic self is awakening! that those cells that I referred to are awakening!

I'm also very excited and encouraged to hear you report that "It's hard to explain." This "ineffable" quality (if you're not familiar with that word, look it up in a dictionary and see if you agree with its use in this context!) is a very typical and encouraging milestone along the path to the "Gate of the Thousandfold Pleasures", that is, to experiencing full Key Sound Multiple Orgasms.

It's a sign that your use of the Key Sound is working!!! Elsewhere in this Forum when one of your fellow pioneers has reported this ineffable quality, I have said "There is the stuff of poetry!"

By that I mean that I want to encourage you to attempt to describe the indescribable, especially when you are IN the experience. You may surprise yourself with the beautiful expressions that "spring forth" from this activity.

> These feelings, come anytime
>and anywhere.

This too is typical of my experience, and of that reported by a number of others in posts to this Forum.

As I have described elsewhere, when I have awakened my erotic self in this way, I can experience orgasmic feelings appreciating a beautiful flower, a wonderful music passage, the loving gaze of my beloved, a particularly enjoyable walk or run, and so on.

This goes directly to what I've read in tantric texts which report the masters as saying that the cosmos itself is always in orgasm. Our practice is to teach us how to just open to the orgasm that is already happening!

Of course, given the particular culture we live in, this practice must be exercised with prudence, and not be done in the presence of children or others who are not informed and consenting to participating in sharing the energy. These are the "ethics of eros" if you will.

>As you already know, having seen some
>similarities to the years of my yoga
>practice, I guessed that whatever
>changes my body would undergo, whether
>it is an "awakening" of feelings, a
>second "adolescence," a growth of new
>nerve pathways, or whatever; then form
>could be important.

Not only important, but facilitative. Note that the positions illustrated in the famous erotic temple sculptures and paintings in India are "mudras"... that is, forms and body positions which enhance and facilitate the flow of the "kundalini", the erotic orgasmic energy flow.

The next time you are feeling the feelings you describe, you might practice adopting some of these poses and practice the Key Sound while doing so. Please report here what you discover!

> Some of the advanced
>yoga positions required months of
>practice for me to grow into.

Yes this is similar. Yoga is a journey, and it too can release emotional "furballs" that are bound up in the muscles, as Wilhelm Reich described... learning to love our body in this way can permit the healing of these wounds, and the rewards are... orgasmic!!!

>I was
>working with a back disability, but over
>a period of time, by maintaining form
>and practice it always came together. I
>would accomplish advanced positions
>that my body, particularly my back,
>could not have handled at the beginning.

As you integrate the yoga practice with the Key Sound practice, perhaps you could make a post to the "Disabilities & Key Sound Orgasm - General Discussion" conference. This could be very helpful for others with disabilities.

>I gave yoga the time and respect it
>needed. For some reason I thought I
>might apply a similarly disciplined
>approach to your techniques.

I do consider this to be a yoga practice, so that makes perfect sense. At its fullest potential it is a physical, emotional, and spiritual journey.

>However, I'm glad to see that you
>suggest I lighten up.

Yes, by that I meant to beware of the risk of "over-thinking" it. There can be a trap there that thinking about the "right way" etc. can actually distance you from what your body is trying to teach your consciousness. Let your body and your sensations and emotions be your teachers! That's how I made the discovery in the first place!

>>> Do you consciously direct this kundalini movement back up through the chakras, or does
>this movement up through the chakras
>just take place spontaneously?

>>At first it was spontaneous, then I learned how to move it consciously by using the Key Sound breaths.

That is, both options are possible. The important thing is not to force it. Usually I adopt an attitude of receptive awareness, and then use my conscious intention to enhance the movement of the energy in the direction it already seems to want to flow.


>You also wrote elsewhere:
>>In the Forum see "Fears along the Way" and search on "terror" as in "Terror at the Gate", both in this Forum and in the Chat Archives.
>>

>Is there a suggested read on
>"kundalini."

There are MANY tantric resources that speak to this. Phillip Rawson's work is excellent. His works are also a good source for the erotic mudra temple sculptures.

> Or, has that field of
>research become outdated by your
>discoveries?

No way! :-) My discovery is another contribution to this erotic body of knowledge! It is not intended to replace it.

>I wrote:
>>>...it makes me think of the body's ability to produce wet dreams. I experienced these dreams as a teenager. As I recall, they were overwhelming, and I sometimes think that a similar process, or similar channels of nerves and feeling may be accessed through your key sound-valley breathing exercise.
>You wrote:
>>Certainly the "overwhelming" feeling is characteristic of the moments just before non-ejac MMO. In fact the feelings of being overwhelmed sometimes can create a kind of fear to which some people respond by shifting away from the Key Sound path and just "going for" ejaculation to relieve this tension!

>Positively insightful. This suggests
>that during those wet dream experiences
>of long ago, my body felt overwhelmed ?
>even though in a dream ? and chose
>ejaculation as the outlet. Wonder what
>might have happened if my adolescent
>nature had not chosen that path. Could
>an adolescent have experienced the
>overwhelming whole body experience you
>describe?

My sense of this is that in ancient times, and perhaps even today in less sexually repressive cultures, the "Men's Mysteries" that were/are taught adolescents as they reach puberty would include this kind of information.

>Here's a long shot speculation. Western
>religious literature refers to special
>folks who claim to have experienced a
>"rapture." Now I wonder what were they
>really doing?

> Chanting -- moaning and
>groaning -- themselves into a rapture?

Indeed! Some authors surmise that these were in fact erotic ecstasies which have been re-interpreted and redefined to serve the worldview of certain of the religious organizations.

>Always enjoy your on target comments.

Thank you. Likewise!

>Thanks again,
>Rodney

You're very welcome! I look forward to further reports!

Best rewards,
Jack