<PRE>On 12/10/00 10:50:00 AM, Jack wrote:
>>My question: Do you actually feel this locus of breathing as it shifts from the chest area and migrates down to the perineal area?
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>Yes... this may not be the same for everyone. But in my experience as I experience increasing arousal I usually notice my breathing becoming shallower, and higher up in my chest. This is most
pronounced as I approach orgasm with ejaculation.
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>I suggest you practice the Key Sound and then post what you ARE experiencing, and we can go from there. Otherwise practice can get clouded with all of the comments by others and distract you from tuning in to what your own experience is....
>The main thing I think is to tune in to what YOU are feeling and ASK your body to help you REMEMBER how to have the experience. I say REMEMBER because this information is CODED IN to your DNA, and every cell in your body wants to experience this life force energy!


Great idea. Thus far, I can report that I have experienced overall feelings of sensual pleasure accompanied by an acute awareness of my physical self, my muscles, sinew, my body. It's hard to explain. These feelings, come anytime and anywhere.

As you already know, having seen some similarities to the years of my yoga practice, I guessed that whatever changes my body would undergo, whether it is an "awakening" of feelings, a second "adolescence," a growth of new nerve pathways, or whatever; then form could be important. Some of the advanced yoga positions required months of practice for me to grow into. I was working with a back disability, but over a period of time, by maintaining form and practice it always came together. I would accomplish advanced positions that my body, particularly my back, could not have handled at the beginning.

I gave yoga the time and respect it needed. For some reason I thought I might apply a similarly disciplined approach to your techniques.
However, I'm glad to see that you suggest I lighten up.

>> Do you consciously direct this kundalini movement back up through the chakras, or does
this movement up through the chakras just take place spontaneously?
>At first it was spontaneous, then I learned how to move it consciously by using the Key Sound breaths.

You also wrote elsewhere:
>In the Forum see "Fears along the Way" and search on "terror" as in "Terror at the Gate", both in this Forum and in the Chat Archives.
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Is there a suggested read on "kundalini." Or, has that field of research become outdated by your discoveries?


I wrote:
>>...it makes me think of the body's ability to produce wet dreams. I experienced these dreams as a teenager. As I recall, they were overwhelming, and I sometimes think that a similar process, or similar channels of nerves and feeling may be accessed through your key sound-valley breathing exercise.

You wrote:
>Certainly the "overwhelming" feeling is characteristic of the moments just before non-ejac MMO. In fact the feelings of being overwhelmed sometimes can create a kind of fear to which some people respond by shifting away from the Key Sound path and just "going for" ejaculation to relieve this tension!

Positively insightful. This suggests that during those wet dream experiences of long ago, my body felt overwhelmed ? even though in a dream ? and chose ejaculation as the outlet. Wonder what might have happened if my adolescent nature had not chosen that path. Could an adolescent have experienced the overwhelming whole body experience you describe?
Here's a long shot speculation. Western religious literature refers to special folks who claim to have experienced a "rapture." Now I wonder what were they really doing? Chanting -- moaning and groaning -- themselves into a rapture?

Always enjoy your on target comments. Thanks again,

Rodney</PRE>