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Highlights from a recently posted discussion about learning to last longer while enjoying multiple orgasm using little- or even no stimulation.
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Discussion is between a newbie, Kutso, and Multiple Orgasm Trigger adepts Laly, Mog, and Pan...
Kutso:
Hi you all!
I'm quite new to this stuff, but I've already had some success with it.
I've only practiced for a few weeks, and I already get feelings of ecstasy. I have a question though. I have never in one practice session stimulated myself. I have only been doing the key sound. And yet I get REALLY good feelings. Is it possible to get multiple orgasm just by doing the keysound, without any stimulation? Has anyone else had similar experiences?
Earlier in my life I experimented with drugs a lot. Ecstasy was one of them. And now when I practice this method I find that the good feelings I get feels almost exactly the same as the feelings when on ecstasy. Anyone else who have noticed this?
Laly:
To answer your question-
YES!! I am able to achieve not only single orgasms without stimulation , but multiples as well.
Isn't amazing just how tuned in our bodies can be to this possibility :-). Once awakening those responses , I find it easy to freely and un-quivically (sp?) rise to the most sacred and blessed Orgasms ever.
Congrats on the successes!!
I welcome you to the forum and eagerly look forward to hearing more!
OH, I should introduce myself : I am 36 years old, female, and been using the KSMTOP for one year and 5 months now and my successes and adventures are well-documented in the forum and also in the OrgasmWIki site as well.
A HUGE hug to you!!
With Love, Light and from my Joyously singing heart,
Laly
Mog:
Hello kutso,
Welcome to the forum, and it's good to hear about your early indications of success.
>Is it possible to get multiple orgasm just by doing the keysound, without any stimulation?<
Too true it is! Without boasting, I can usually clock up around 30 first-rate gold-standard events in the first hour of a session without any stimulation whatsoever. And that's just for starters. I no longer even need to use the key sound. But I have to say that I've been with the KSMO for about 30months now.
Just lying still, flat out on my back, fully relaxed and thinking of my favourite fantasy images (usually young women from my past!) and it's not long before I'm up above the clouds in an orgasmic trance and feeling the amazing sensations rippling and intensifying around my body. In no time they grow inexorably towards the first inevitable full-bodied orgasm. But things get much better from there onwards. The sensations are impossible to describe but I can say that they are nothing like anything else I've experienced in a long life of sexual experimentation. And I know that this is not unusual for a KSMO adept to achieve.
>Earlier in my life I experimented with drugs a lot. Ecstasy was one of them. And now when I practice this method I find that the good feelings I get feels almost exactly the same as the feelings when on ecstasy. Anyone else who have noticed this?<
That's interesting. I've never taken any kind of recreational drug but I've often wondered how the ecstasy experience aligns with that of the KSMO. Perhaps, as you progress down the KSMO trail - and I hope you do - you will tell us about your experiences.
Good luck.
And Hi, Laly - I hope things are well with you!
Mog
Pan:
Hi Kutso and welcome to the forum!
Not only is it possible to enjoy multiple orgasms just by doing the Key Sound, with enough practice, it's actually quite common.
And after a couple years of practice, I realized that I could experience orgasms even just by IMAGINING I'm making the Key Sound. And not long after that, I could pretty much access the orgasmic state at will!
Jack has often referred to the KSMO protocol as "multi-orgasmic training wheels." And I think that's a great way to describe what the protocol really is.
At first, the Key Sound helps you open up to new feelings and experiences, which in turn leads to more and more pleasure and arousal, and finally results in spontaneous multiples orgasms with or without stimulation.
Eventually, this ability becomes so natural that the original protocol is no longer necessary. At that point, you're no longer doing something orgasmic - you're simply BEING orgasmic!
This is especially true when learning to apply KSMO to lovemaking. Once you've learned how to give yourself multiple orgasms, it's easy to share those feelings with a partner. There's no need to bring the protocol along with you, but using spontaneous Key Sounds can be a wonderful way to share not only multiple orgasms, but a deeper level of intimacy with a partner.
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>Earlier in my life I
>experimented with drugs a lot.
>Ecstasy was one of them. And
>now when I practice this
>method I find that the good
>feelings I get feels almost
>exactly the same as the
>feelings when on ecstasy.
>Anyone else who have noticed
>this?
YES! In fact, years ago, Jack asked me during a telephone interview what it felt like to experience multiple orgasms through KSMO and all I could think of to compare it to was the drug Ecstasy!
Actually, you could say that for me, KSMO became a healthy REPLACEMENT for drugs like Ecstasy. Within a few months of learning KSMO, I stopped using drugs and alcohol entirely and have been clean ever since (7 years now).
I guess, looking back, the truth is that my primary motivation for using drugs was an ongoing search of greater sexual pleasure. So once I was enjoying all the pleasure I could ever ask for, the drugs just kinda lost their appeal, ya know?
The cool thing is, I've found that with KSMO, that "ecstasy" feeling just keeps getting stronger as the years go by and the best part is, I know it's actually GOOD for me! There's no side effects, or "come downs" from KSMO sessions, and the highs just keep getting better.
Well, that's my experience anyway. I hope this gives you some enticing thoughts about what awaits you in your own practice!
Pan :-)
Kutso:
Thanks for your responses. All of your words are very inspiring.
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Key Sound Multiple Orgasm without requiring male Ejaculation Control Chat 0108
- THE EXPERTS SPEAK! LEARN FROM OTHERS WHO HAVE LEARNED HOW TO ENJOY MULTIPLE ORGASM without requiring male EJACULATION CONTROL: Along with Jack were Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adepts Drew and Pan, telling more details of their multiple orgasm experience and what new discoveries they continue to make, and offering the benefits of their experience in assisting returning newbie Adam.
- This chat offers tremendous insights to men AND women as to what actually happens when you learn how to experience these continuous (and for men non- ejaculatory) multiple orgasms using the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Method(tm) (and for men: withOUT using ANY kind of ejaculation blocking or other PC squeeze or "control").
- Adam comments about the assistance he received in this chat: "You guys are blowing my mind!...I can't thank you enough, brothers!"
- Drew began by sharing details of a recent breakthrough the "emotional furballs" (i.e. unresolved past issues that prevent one from opening to full multi-orgasmic potential) to a new level of pleasure, and what he's continuing to learn, including RE: transcending chronic tightness / emotional energy blockage in the heart and throat areas (a very common challenge, especially for men!).
- He goes on to detail how this new opening of greater emotional capacity has resulted in his noticing that HE NOW MOVES ALMOST >>>INSTANTLY<<< INTO THE MULTI ORGASMIC "ZONE" >>>FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF HIS PRACTICE SESSIONS<<<.
- He then offers further tips (from a multi-orgasmic expert!) about clearing momentary blockages to open FURTHER to the orgasmic energy, and what other sensations and body movements were happening spontaneously (those fully orgasmic Echo Effects!).
- NOTE: Drew goes into CONSIDERABLE DETAIL describing the emotions, and the physical manifestations of the CONTINUOUS WAVES of multiple orgasms, with very powerful emotional releases.
- Pan responded by sharing how his CHRONIC SPINAL PAIN HAS BEEN AFFECTED FOR THE BETTER as he continues to open more to the multi-orgasmic experience, AND HOW LEARNING THE MULTIPLE ORGASMS ALLOWED HIM TREMENDOUS RELEASE OF THE OLD EMOTIONAL PAINS ACCUMULATED FROM LIVING WITH THE INJURY.
- He also noted how having access to the greater pleasure and emotional release resulting from his learning to enjoy multiple orgasm in this way has ALSO made it easier to cope with the chronic spinal pain when it recurs! He goes on to offer additional thoughts about how chronic pain tends to dull awareness overall, and how enjoying these multiple orgasms is helping ameliorate that.
- Next, newbie Adam arrived and asked for assistance in that he reported losing interest in the process and felt that somehow he wasn't quite getting it. [Hint: He was right, but we helped him get back on track!].
- After just a little q & a, Adam becomes aware of ways he was stopping himself from ALLOWING the greater pleasure to begin happening. HIS STORY WILL SPEAK TO >>MANY<< PEOPLE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LEARNING THIS PROTOCOL.
- As part of this discussion Pan discusses arousal without sexual fantasy: how many people, perhaps especially men, believe that they cannot become sufficiently aroused without sexual fantasy, etc.
- Jack offers some tips to Adam about integrating his Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice with massage, to help the orgasmic energy pathways open up more easily, and release emotional blockages more easily. He also provides the link to the directory of sex counselors certified by the American Association of Sex Educators, Counselors, and Therapists (AASECT).
- NOTE: A very significant portion of this chat is devoted to hearing a report from a 30 year old female who has begun using this system ("Tomgirl"), and EXCELLENT QUESTIONS FROM HER about various aspects of the practice, including with a partner.
- Additionally: More very important tips as to timing, and other issues from past sexuality conditioning that can often get in the way of accessing the multiple orgasms available through the practice of the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger protocol.
- Present were Jack, Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adepts Drew (i.e., an average guy, but one who has learned how to have non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms using this method), Pan, and Andi (Bilko's wife)... returning newbies Bilko (North Wales), Gerry (student at a military college), rags (Oklahoma), Adam, and newbies Tomgirl (female, age 30, Michigan area), and Fred.
- Newbie 'tomgirl' (female, age 30) began the chat with Jack and KSMO veteran Drew, receiving details on how the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm method can be just as effective for women as it is for men.
- She received very specific details re: learning the correct TIMING of when to use the Key Sound, and then using the Echo Effects as the green light to continue.
- She also expressed gratitude in being in a venue (i.e. the multiples coaching chats) where there are men she can talk with who are interested in committed relationships, and not just casual sex.
- Jack also pointed out how the practice of the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Method naturally leads people to open up their hearts and not just their genitals, and encourages her to read some of the past chat transcripts where men in particular talk about how their hearts are opening as a result of this practice.
- Tomgirl also stated that she found chat 0103 very helpful.
- When tomgirl suggested that she get a copy of Jack's audio seminar for her lover, Jack made an alternative suggestion which she thought would be very helpful.
- She also made a point in saying that all of the chats she read were very helpful for her as a woman.
- When Jack asked her what she gleaned from reading all the transcripts, she made a VERY IMPORTANT POINT that both men and women should take note of.
- Next, Tomgirl mentioned some issues between her and her lover that motivated Jack to give her a web site address for sex counselors and therapists.
- Then Jack gives her some details for learning HOW A >>WOMAN<< CAN LEARN TO TIME THE USE OF THE KEY SOUND CORRECTLY.
- She reports that she started getting Echo Effects just by listening to the Key Sound demonstrations in the audio seminar!
- Bilko returns, and confirms with Tomgirl that HIS WIFE ANDI >>>IS<<< USING THE KEY SOUND MULTIPLE ORGASM METHOD SUCCESSFULLY.
- Jack compliments Tomgirl for honoring spirituality and that she wants an emotional connection and not just sex. He urges her (AND ALL READERS!) to check out Heartgasms in the Live Forum. When Jack does so, she replies that she believes that she already has experienced Heartgasms!
- She next asks if her partner will respond to her Key Sound orgasms if he has no knowledge of the Key Sound. Jack and Drew both make suggestions.
- Since Bilko is the male part of a couple, he offers Tomgirl several suggestions for introducing this practice to her lover.
- Newbie Fred then introduces himself for the first time. He expressed some frustration, but also recognized almost immediately that it could be that he was trying too hard.
- The group confirmed that this is definitely a very common trap for beginners. He also stated that he was not clear about the timing of the use of the Key Sound, but that he would study the recent chats for more details.
- Tomgirl then asked AN EXCELLENT QUESTION REGARDING WOMEN'S USE OF THE KEY SOUND: Since she's female, she was concerned about not being able to make the Key Sound in a deep enough voice. Jack reminded her that the object is not to make the Key Sound in an artificial way, but only at the lower end of one's personal voice register.
- Jack shared some thoughts about why people sometimes have a difficult time making the Key Sound correctly.
- Tomgirl then asked several additional EXCELLENT questions:
- Are the powerful Echo Effects a result of the Key Sound or just the breathing? (Jack offered his reply. He also gave her additional suggestions as to what to tune into during her practice.)
- Why are men reporting hesitancy and other anxieties Re: sharing the practice with a female partner? (Jack offered his thoughts about why, including the idea that they may need professional counseling assistance in building communication skills Re: sexual activity, and Jack offered them the URL to the AASECT directory of certified sex counselors and therapists.)
- Is it OK to end a Key Sound Multiple Orgasm session with male ejaculation? (Jack reassured her that it very definitely is OK in his opinion, and that he tended to agree with her that it can help a man maintain a healthier prostate, and he also mentioned some additional very surprising benefits for a man's experiencing ejaculation AFTER enjoying a session of NON-ejaculatory multiple orgasms.)
- Is it OK to give her lover an Aneros (prostate stimulator offered in the multiples website catalog) even before he learns how to use the Key Sound method? (Jack shares his concerns about doing so IN SOME CASES because men so often already have the problem of too much stimulation when just beginning to use the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Method...
- ALTERNATIVELY, Jack also describes how, once a man learns how NOT to lapse into continuous genital stimulation during this practice, the Aneros can provide tremendous ADDITIONAL benefits in the practice.)
- Is it OK to use the Aneros during intercourse? (Jack: Yes in his opinion (at one's own risk of course), provided one doesn't use too much lubricant on it.)
- Next, newbie Fred requested and received suggestions for dealing with ONE OF THE >>>MOST COMMON ERRORS/CHALLENGES THAT MALES FACE IN THIS PRACTICE<<<, i.e., his impatience, and his tendency to want to 'sprint' to ejaculation, rather than to follow the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm protocol, which requires using very low levels of stimulation and only intermittently, at the beginning of the practice.
- READERS NOTE: In spite of Fred's concerns for some "fine tuning" in this chat, note also that he says that the Key Sound practice is already producing Echo Effects which are, in his words: "...taking the top of my head off."
- The group IMMEDIATELY starts idenifying the causes of his concerns. READERS PLEASE NOTE ALSO: There are issues discussed here which can be helpful to everyone just beginning this practice. VERY IMPORTANT TIPS FOR ALL NEWBIES in this section of Fred's discussion! [BTW, Fred also mentioned that he benefitted a great deal from this chat's earlier discussion with Tomgirl, and her questions. THANKS AGAIN, TOMGIRL!]
- What can a person do when they begin the practice and suddenly feel an urge to abandon the Key Sound protocol and switch to vigorous stimulation (and a 'quickie' (usually single) orgasm-with-ejaculation)?
- MORE TIPS ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE >>>AUTOMATIC<<< 'PLEASURE SIGH' THAT IS >>>CRUCIAL<<< FOR GETTING THE >>>CORRECT TIMING<<< OF THE KEY SOUND.
- What are the DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE "PLEASURE SIGH" AND THE "KEY SOUND"?
- What are the differences/similarities between the "pleasure sigh" and the Echo Effects?
- >>>Reminder from Jack: Treat the practice more like a meditation/exploration session rather than a typical masturbation session.<<<
- Next, Newbie Adam reports that he has already been taking the approach of not rushing, just staying open to what his body will teach him. He then asks about using sexual fantasy during the practice, and whether one "should" keep eyes open or closed. The Key Sound Multiple Orgasm "veterans" offer their experience and suggestions.
- Jack then clarifies his personal views about the role of ejaculation, in combination with the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger practice.
- NOTE: IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT YET OPENING TO THE MULTIPLES DO NOT YET UNDERSTAND >>>WHEN<<< to use the Key Sound... This chat is a DETAILED TUTORIAL in TIMING.
- From Multiple Orgasm veterans "Adepts" Pan, Drew, Mari, and Jack (i.e., just regular folks, who have learned how to enjoy non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms using this method), returning newbie Gerry received very specific assistance regarding the specific TIMING of the use of the Key Sound.
- Jack and Pan began by offering Gerry some VERY DETAILED additional information about learning how to recognize the AUTOMATIC "Pleasure Sigh" (also referred to as the "automatic larger-than-average INbreath") that vitually EVERYone experiences immediately in response any erotic stimulation.
- Drew then shared what he'd learned about the importance of timing the Key Sound correctly to stimulate the ever-stronger Echo Effects which eventually turn into orgasms at higher levels of arousal, and offered a REALLY EXCELLENT TIP about how he uses the timing of the Key Sound (linked to a sense of "fullness" in his heart) to stimulate the non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms, and WITHOUT EJACULATION CONTROL.
- Next, Pan described how when he first learned to enjoy multiples this way, he hadn't yet linked his use of the Key Sound to the exhale of the Pleasure Sigh. He then described the significant difference he enjoyed after going ahead and linking his use of the Key Sound to the exhale of the automatic "Pleasure Sighs" when they'd happen in immediate response to GENTLE erotic stimulation.
- When Gerry needed to take a short break, Jack commented that UNDERSTANDING >>>WHEN<<< TO USE A >>>GENTLE<<< KEY SOUND IS >>>ESSENTIAL<<< TO ENJOYING THE BEST NON- EJACULATORY ORGASMS.
- Jack includes several different analogies to help people understand how important the use of the Key Sound is and how to apply it.
- As the group finishes helping Gerry, Jack also mentions a very useful book titled: "The Highly Sensitive Person", which he recommends to all.
- The chat concluded with Adept Mari describing a Women's Empowerment workshop she taught recently and what the women learned about their sensual selves, both anatomically and energetically, through a variety of creative exercises.
- This chat is jam-packed with more ESSENTIAL TIPS FOR NEWBIES, ESPECIALLY REGARDING the TIMING of the Key Sound (thanks to newbie Adam for asking for assistance!), and an excellent discussion by several male and female Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adepts about 'advanced topics'such as...
- Mari's comparing traditional G-spot orgasm with Key Sound Multiple Orgasms, KSMO Adept blissful1's discussion of "soft-entry" entry intercourse (i.e. when the penis is NOT erect!!!), sharing simultaneous multiple orgasms with a partner, "passing the orgasms back and forth between partners" (thanks to Adept Pan!)...
- ...and even more details about all of the great intimacy people can share once they've learned to enjoy multiples using the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger method.
- Present were newbie Adam, returning newbies Bilko and rags, and Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adepts Mari, Pan, Drew, blissful1 and Jack.
- Adam came in from some assistance in practice. After just two questions, Jack was able to help him identify the missing link in the way he was TIMING his use of the Key Sound.
- Jack then offered some IMPORTANT NEW TIPS in learning how to TIME the use of the Key Sound, and explained how we learn to use the Key Sound to "hitch a ride" on the AUTOMATIC exhale of the Pleasure Sigh.
- He also presented additional details on why it's important to learn to LINK the INTENTIONAL Key Sound with the AUTOMATIC Pleasure Sigh response.
- As part of this discussion Jack reminded everyone of the enculturation that men have to "MAKE themselves 'come'(i.e. orgasm)", and to MAKE their partner come, and described how THIS CAN BE A TRAP when learning to have non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms using the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) method.
- Key Sound Multiple Orgasm veteran Mari then addressed this issue from a woman's experience and point of view.
- The group then assisted Bilko with some issues re: identifying the automatic sigh that tends to happen when we feel the pleasurable results of any erotic stimulation. With just a little questioning, the group was able to identify the little gap in understanding to help Bilko get back 'on protocol'.
- Next, returning newbie rags requested assistance in his practice, and Pan and Jack addressed issues of relaxation and identifying how to TIME the use of the Key Sound correctly.
- Then Mari shared a woman's experience of the use of the Key Sound and timing during arousal.
- Key Sound Multiple Orgasm ('KSMO') Adept blissful1 from Australia then arrived and asked an EXCELLENT QUESTION of Mari: Are the multiple orgasms she experiences using Jack's method similar to the G-Spot orgasm. Check out her detailed answer in the chat! (Hint: the KSMOs are way more pleasurable and extensive/full-body than previous G-Spot orgasms for her!)
- blissful1 then asked fellow Key Sound Multiple Orgasm veterans if they also noticed that since they've learned KSMO, it has become easier to enjoy orgasms at exactly the same time as their partner. DON'T MISS THIS... As veteran Pan says in this segment: "Sometimes we can't tell WHOSE orgasm we're riding!"
- blissful and others next offer some great suggestions for meditation-music CD's to incorporate in the practice.
- He next describes another VERY IMPORTANT topic that most men and many women are not at all aware of: "Soft entry"!!! That is, a man's learning to enter his partner with a penis that is NOT erect! Check out the results he describes! As a veteran woman sex educator has said "Sometimes a soft-on is way better than a hard on!" VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC!!!
- HINT: "Soft entry" connection is GREAT for building intimacy and HEARTGASMS!
- Discussion concludes with blissful1 sharing details of a workshop he'll be holding in Australia, to teach people Jack's Key Sound method.
- More newbie questions answered and tips offered by Jack and other Key Sound Multiple Orgasm veterans.
- Newbie vesta returned reporting an increase in Echo Effects, although he apparently has not yet triggered the full multi-orgasmic reflex.
- Nevertheless, he describes these pleasurable sensations as the strongest he's ever felt! Jack and the others counselled patience... and offered their congratulations! :-)
- Veteran Drew then responded to returning newbie Gerry's question about whether or not you always have to use the Key Sound even after you learn how to have multiple orgasms.
- Matteo (SF Bay Area) described a significant loss of sensitivity after adult circumcision and is interested in recapturing some of the intensity he used to experience prior to that surgery.
- Veterans Drew, Pan, and Jack were joined by returning newbies Bilko and his wife Andi from North Wales, Jman, vesta, Gerry, and Jr.
- In this very helpful chat, Andi (wife of Bilko) offers her thoughts and feelings about how learning this method has benefitted her own sexual response, her relationship with her husband, and her emotional relationship with her children; she also offers her tips and suggestions for women.
- Bilko and Andi share extensive details of what they are discovering in their marriage as they continue to open to this multi-orgasmic process with each other.
- Jack gives very detailed instructions for a newbie suffering from premature ejaculation, for a young man who is not getting results, "no matter how hard he tries". Hint: Jack describes how the "trying hard" mindset, although very common for men, creates a block to opening to these orgasms, and he then offers suggestions for bypassing this blockage.
- Although practice time's been limited for Bilko, he reported on a recent practice session in which he experienced some encouraging new effects.
- Bilko received some support, encouragement, and tips from the veterans re: some "mind noise" he's been experiencing while at the same time enjoying new, positive feelings.
- Jack responded to some of Bilko's concerns in reading about the relationship between tests testosterone levels and sexual experience, by noting that very many texts still seem to use "Orgasm" and "Ejaculation" interchangeably.
- The group then offered Bilko additional suggestions on how to tune in to the feelings and for now to set aside the intellectual associations and linkages which seem to be a distraction.
- Bilko then proceeded to describe his actual feelings and how they are new. He noted that they ARE starting to feel orgasmic!
- Next, Bilko's wife Andi checked in with a progress report. She detailed some great tips for integrating use of the Key Sound to amplify and extend her erotic arousal during intercourse.
- She also offered some encouragement to women who are wondering about the effectiveness of the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm ('KSMO') method, and offered details of how her own sexual experienced has improved.
- She and Bilko then offer some details of discussions they've been sharing about the effects this practice has had on them, their relationship with each other, and their relationship with their children in terms of increased emotional openness, etc.
- Next, newbie jr checked in and began by thanking Bilko and Andi for all they have been sharing in this chat.
- He then reports that even though he is totally new in his practice, he's already having more pleasurable feelings than he's had in 30 years!
- VERY IMPORTANT: jr reports that even after only two months of practice, KSMO is helping him resolve 'premature ejaculation'!
- Jr very graciously and courageously describes what his 'premature ejaculation' experience was like prior to KSMO practice, and what is different now.
- This leads naturally to his concerns about having trouble slowing down (one of THE MOST COMMON CHALLENGES that men face in learning this!), so Jack guides jr through a VERY SLOW process of getting set up to practice KSMO, and then just very gradually introducing stimulation.
- Vesta then reported that he is starting to experience an increase in pleasurable feelings as a result of his practice. The group made some suggestions for taking the next step
- Then newbie Gerry checked in with some concerns about Echo Effects. He reports that they seem to be getting quite strong, but don't yet feel 'multi-orgasmic' and sometimes he notices cramping. Jack helps Gerry identify where he is "off protocol" and makes suggestions for his getting back on track.
- Newbies Ananda_orchard, thejoy, and returning newbie vesta joined veterans Pan, Drew, and Jack.
- Ananda just read a little on the site and decided to stop in at the chat.
- "thejoy" then joined as well. Thejoy reported that this is the second day of practice since getting Jack's audio CD: "Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step".
- At Ananda's request, the group defined and discussed "Heartgasms" (multiple orgasms which seem to originate in the heart and in the genitals simultaneously) and what they are like.
- Next, the group heard from thejoy, re: what the first experiences have been like.
- Jack then detailed a KEY DIFFERENCE between this method and most others, which nearly all seem to be based on some form of ejaculation CONTROL.
- Jack described how this method does NOT involve ejaculation CONTROL since the ejaculation reflex is not activated, thus does not need to be blocked or stopped, yet multi-orgasmically high levels of AROUSAL >>ARE<< experienced.
- KSMO veteran Pan described the self-control practices of his younger days and his personal evolution since learning including this protocol in his experience.
- Veterans Pan and Drew, as well as Jack, then offered tips to thejoy and other newbies for learning how to begin opening to increasing arousal while at the same time NOT setting the stage for the ejaculation reflex.
- Thejoy then asked another excellent question: the issue of introducing a 'Key Sound' practice to a partner. Drew, Pan, and Jack offered experience and suggestions. more detailed annotation will be posted soon.
- Bilko and his wife Andi (North Wales) return with an eloquent and detailed description of what sharing the learning of this multi-orgasmic skill is like for them, including Andi's report of triggering intense orgasms with just ONE Key Sound, and NO stimulation!
- Returning newbies and total newbies share questions and get help from Key Sound Multiple Orgasm veteran Pan, and Jack
- This HISTORIC 100TH (EIGHT PLUS YEARS ONLINE!) transcript represents a truly a GLOBAL DISCUSSION of all stages of practice and details of success... when Key Sound Multiple Orgasm discoverer/developer Jack and veterans (aka 'Adepts') Drew and Pan were joined by newbies Walter (Hong Kong), zoolander (Texas), vesta (Florida), chris_k, and Bilko (North Wales), and a report via Bilko from his wife Andi that she is now enjoying strings of multiple orgasms, often stimulated by a single Key Sound, a loving glance from her husband, etc.
- Walter receives reminders from Jack and Drew about not forcing the use of the Key Sound, and Walter details of the beginnings of the Echo Effects. Jack offers additional tips on the proper articulation of the Key Sound, that will be helpful to all who are practicing this protocol.
- Returning newbie vesta asks for suggestions on finding positions which are comfortable since he's been experiencing some back discomfort. Jack offers suggestions with a caution regarding how certain positions should be avoided since they can trigger the ejaculation reflex.
- KSMO veteran Pan also offers some suggestions for greater comfort, since he suffers from a chronic spine injury.
- Newbie zoolander and also offers vesta and others some additional tips for remaining comfortable while lying on one's back.
- Jack once again cautions people to avoid the activities which set the stage for triggering the ejaculation reflects, and he enumerates them. He also reminds everyone that when the KSMO protocol is followed correctly, one does not experience any sense of Point of No Return WHATSOEVER.
- Next, newbie zoolander reported difficulty in recognizing Echo Effects. Jack gives him detailed guidance in learning how to time his use of the Key Sound.
- This assistance includes learning how to recognize the subtle change in breathing that happens automatically at the very time that someone experiences a pleasurable response to erotic stimulation.
- Jack also offers some pointers regarding a learning to distinguish the difference between forcing or trying to make Echo Effects happen versus ALLOWING the Echo Effects to come into awareness.
- Since zoolander was still having trouble identifying Echo Effects, Jack asked the various Adepts to describe their experience of Echo Effects. Pan and Drew both shared what Echo Effects felt like to them.
- Zoolander reports at times some very strong feelings that Jack and the others definitely felt qualified as Echo Effects.
- Consequently, Jack addresses the tendency that some people have to discount the Echo Effects that ARE happening, as well as alerting newbies to the the manner in which 'emotional furballs' (i.e., unresolved emotional wounds), if not intended to, will tend to block the ability to experience higher levels of erotic pleasure, including multiorgasmic pleasure.
- Since zoolander is an engineer, Jack offers several engineering-related metaphors for understanding how the Key Sound serves to build erotic arousal to multi Orgasm levels while not triggering any of the behaviors which lead to the ejaculation reflex.
- He also offer some suggestions for other activities that can assist in opening up one's feeling body and sensual self.
- Zoolander then gets affirmative feedback from the KSMO Adepts that because of the extent of the Echo Effects he is feeling, he most definitely IS on the right track.
- Next, zoolander reports a significant shift in his awareness that learning not ejaculatory multiple orgasms in this way is not just a mechanical process, but rather, that it can be a process of very deep emotional awakening. In this regard, Jack recommends reviewing the Heartgasms conference in the live forum.
- Jack reiterates the reminder NOT to FORCE the use of the Key Sound and emphasizes that this is a very common and VERY BIG trap.
- Zoolander reports and noted change in breathing, to where it begins to become more rapid and shallow. Jack alerts him that this may be the beginning of the ejaculation reflects getting established. Consequently, it's very important to learn how to slow this breathing down and rechannel the energy using the Key Sound.
- Jack likens the KSMO protocol to a feedback circuit that one needs to learn to tune to full resonance by using the presence or absence of the Echo Effects to let yourself know when you are 'on protocol' (i.e., the Echo Effects are present and strong), or when you are drifting 'off protocol' (i.e., the Echo Effects are fading, or are absent altogether).
- Drew introduces the notion that these Echo Effects and multi orgasmic feelings typically start happening in waves. Pan confirms this sensation as being part of his experience as well, as does Jack.
- Pan offers an excellent insight to zoolander regarding the trap of trying to hold on to a positive effect, which paradoxically seems to chase it away, rather than simply ALLOWING the positive Echo Effects to ebb and flow in their natural cycle, the latter being the path to virtually unlimited non ejaculatory multiple orgasms.
- Jack also likens the experience of learning to tune our body to allow these Echo Effects and non ejaculatory multiple orgasms has been very similar to learning how to produce standing waves in any harmonic circuit.
- Newbie chris_k then arrived to report that he wasn't experiencing any Echo Effects yet. Jack invited zoolander to teach chris_k what he had just learned.
- [NOTE: chris_k reported that he had only been practicing for less than one day! REMINDER TO ALL READERS: This is a skill, not a pill, that is, it takes a while to learn the new protocol and to UNlearn the old masturbation habits.]
- Zoolander, with the help of the veterans, offers chris_k a number of very useful tips and insights for someone who is just beginning to learn this.
- Jack next makes a Very Important Point: The most common complaint that women have of men lovers is that they need to learn how to SLOW DOWN. This is essential for men to learn, because WHEN YOU SLOW DOWN, YOU GIVE YOURSELF LOTS MORE TIME TO BECOME WAY MORE FULLY AROUSED, and it is this slowing down and giving yourself enough time to become COMPLETELY AROUSED that leads to non ejaculatory multiple orgasms without having to use ejaculation control.
- Next, chris_k introduces a sidebar discussion describing how in one instance he didn't experience what he considers to be some limited form of multiple orgasm using a method called 'anal breathing'.
- Jack cautions newbies and readers to consider avoiding the combining of the KSMO protocol with other techniques, at least in the beginning. It turns out that this is another very common trap that man fall into when they're learning to have multiple orgasms without ejaculation control. A certain number of men have, from the very beginning, had a tendency to mix other methods with the very simple KSMO protocol, and then not get the desired results.
- Jack emphasized that is ESSENTIAL to give yourself the opportunity to practice the very simple and basic KSMO protocol completely by itself, without mixing it with other practices in the beginning, until you learn how to enjoy multiple orgasms in this way... and THEN, if you choose, began integrating the KSMO protocol with other variations you may have learned.
- As a sidebar, Jack mentions the report of some recent research that suggests the possibility that the male brain is constantly SUPPRESSING and automatic tendency for constant erection! That is, this research suggests that without this constant suppressive activity on the part of the brain a male of average age would tend to have a constant correction!
- Pan next introduces a challenge he has faced for most of his adult life: he has been plagued with frequent spontaneous erections. He shares the challenge this has been for hamming emotionally, particularly since most people in our culture think that such a condition would be funny or desirable or at some kind of a joke. Pan goes on to express his gratitude for being taken seriously in the discussions at this web site.
- chris_k offers a few final comments regarding anal breathing.
- Jack introduces the concept that there is a great deal to be said for the idea of women who have learned how to enjoy multiples in this way teaching men how to do so, since this process of gradual arousal is more familiar to them.
- Bilko from North Wales checks in at 4:30 a.m. his time!
- He reports how he is beginning to experience his strongest Echo Effects when he is outside, high on the Welsh hills.
- He reports that his wife Andi IS already enjoying multiple orgasms using the Key Sound method, including the experience of intense multiple orgasms just to making eye contact with her lover Bilko. Jack notes that this definitely qualifies her as an Adept!
- He encourages Bilko to use her as the tutor.
- The group offers him some additional tips for handling the emotional tendency to get too eager to "finally get there".
- Bilko confirms that he is feeling significant echo effects in the form of "warm chills" up his spine, WHICH IS A CLASSIC DEFINITION OF ECHO EFFECTS.
- Bilko confirmed that the multiples that Andi experienced were all the result of a SINGLE use of the Key Sound
- Chat concluded with the Adepts encouraging Bilko to ask for Andi's help in learning how to open more to even stronger Echo Effects.
- From North Wales (British Isles): Don't miss Andi's great description near the end of the chat re: the positive effects this method has had on her husband, on their relationship, and on their relationship with their children!
- Relatively-newbies vesta, howard (New Zealand), and from North Wales, 'Bilko' ("I'm ten days in"), returned to join (Key Sound Multiple Orgasm veterans) Pan, Drew, and Jack.
- 'Mrs. Bilko' (aka 'Andi') checked in near the end to express her appreciation for this method and for these chats, and spoke eloquently about the benefits to her marriage and family.
- Bilko describes the continuously pleasurable new feelings he's experiencing as he begins awakening these multi-orgasmic energy pathways. He reports a plateau, however and Pan and Jack offer suggestions from their experience for allowing the stronger orgasms to occur.
- Jack gives the rationale for the increasingly important role the Key Sound plays as arousal increases and most people have a tendency to hold their breath, often high up in their chest. Key Sound on the exhale of that pent up breath is discussed.
- Pan confirmed the amazing details of full-body orgasm simply AT WILL once in the multi-orgasmic 'zone' that Jack defined and others have confirmed.
- Next, vesta reported details of early progress, but then a certain feeling of being stuck.
- Jack, Pan, and Drew helped identify the challenge of not knowing exactly what to expect, and Drew and Pan described as best they could what the male multiple orgasm experience is like for them.
- Vesta mentioned a program he watched the night before on network television that perpetuated the myth that women are by nature multi-orgasmic while men are not. Vesta expressed his frustration at the perpetuation of this destructive myth and got lots of support from the group!
- Returning then to both Pan and Drew's intuition that Vesta was getting hung up in overstimulation, they described why they thought this, and offered suggestions for getting past it to the full body multiple orgasms.
- This discussion also included thoughts about the appropriate times to introduce the use of the Aneros perineo-prosate stimulator as an option. (For details about the Aneros, click the Order Now or Order Seminar links to view catalog).
- Next the group addressed the potential emotional risks of trying to use this practice to push past emotional 'furballs' (i.e., unresolved emotional issues that may surface as one opens to profoundly greater erotic pleasure), and Jack made suggestions for getting professional assistance with the surfacing emotional issues before continuing the KSMO practice.
- Howard from New Zealand then reported he wasn't getting any Echo Effects. He did report that he was combining KSMO practice with another. Jack noted that this is a frequently observed pattern, to begin by combining KSMO with some other practice, but then not getting the expected results. Jack invited howard (and all others) to consider just practicing KSMO by itself until the multiples are experienced and THEN add in other modalities if desired.
- vesta acknowledged he hadn't heard the actual Key Sound yet (i.e. hadn't yet heard the audio seminar in which it's demo'd). Jack opined that the Key Sound is very specific and virtually essential to learning how to enjoy true multiple orgasm without ejaculation control. KSMO veteran Pan concurred in this.
- [To order the audio seminar in which Jack demonstrates the Key Sound that unlocks the multiple orgasms without ejaculation control... click here ]
- Pan concludes by offering some experiences of KSMO with his partner, what he discovered about using a condom, as well as positions that for him seem to favor Key Sound Multiple Orgasms. DON'T MISS HIS GREAT DESCRIPTION!.
- Then bilko's wife joined in! When Jack asked her if she was already noticing any changes for the better 'Mrs. B' replied "You're not kidding, Jack!", and offered details.
- She also detailed how these powerfully transformative changes in their lives have had a very positive effect on their interactions with their children as well.
- Jack related this to the issue of domestic violence, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT 'MRS. BILKO' WORKS WITH A THEATER COMPANY THAT ADDRESSES DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!
- Mrs. Bilko's comments are not to be missed!
- Pan then shared a time when he was actually afraid to give a partner orgasms, and why, and how that attitude has changed since learning KSMO.
- Notes to be posted soon. :-)
- Newbie 'rags' from Oklahoma joined Key Sound Multiple Orgasm ('KSMO') 'Adepts' Pan and Jack to begin today's discussion.
- The group was then joined by newbie 'rags' from Oklahoma who reports some very positive beginnings of the pleasurable Echo Effects, 'hansdd' from Kentucky - who is totally new to the process, 'newbie' from SoCal who has started to experience solo multiples, 'vesta444', simon, and 'mi2az05' all newbies.
- Pan reported a perceived difference between the multiples he experiences in solo practice and those he experiences with his partner, and discussed with the group what options might be for exploring additional mutually pleasurable nuances of the experience.
- Jack offered some suggestions for exploring additional ways of sharing what for them is already a very enjoyable experience.
- The group was then joined by newbie 'rags' from Oklahoma who reports some very positive beginnings of the pleasurable Echo Effects, 'hansdd' from Kentucky - who is totally new to the process, 'newbie' from SoCal who has started to experience solo multiples, 'vesta444', simon, and 'mi2az05' all newbies.
- Rags reported getting relatively strong Echo Effects that include shaking or vibrating of his body, and was wondering if this is typical. Jack commented that this is fairly common at times, and Pan, a Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adept of several years, shared his experience of learning, that included a good deal of shaking. Jack then continued to elaborate on what this shaking can mean, and also associated it to what is discussed in some tantric traditions.
- vesta reported experiencing Echo Effects and then noticed one night during sleep that he suddenly had about 5 "dry ejaculations" where the genitals felt as if they were expelling semen but they did not. He asked the group what this meant, and received a number of replies.
- He then confirmed that at this point he is experiencing very strong "Echo Effects" and finds them to be very pleasurable (Congratulations, vesta!!!). AND he's only been practicing for about 5 days!
- Vesta then described another session in which the shaking started transitioning to more strongly pleasurable waves, and Jack commented on what this probably indicates.
- newbie then introduced a discussion about how Jack discovered this protocol and Jack and others commented. Jack also recommended they refer to Chat 0038 for a detailed account of how he discovered it.
- This discussion then moved into some comments among participants about relating this practice to tantra, wicca, and other philosophical models. Jack emphasized that learning this method does NOT require a knowledge of tantra, etc. although that may be helpful.
- mi2az05 asked what percentage of people can learn this, and Jack offered his thoughts about this, and recommended ways to get started.
- Pan offered some additional resources from the tantra community. Jack offered some cautions, since most of these methods seem to be based on a variant of PC muscle squeezing, which is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE and confusing when learning the KSMO method, since the KSMO method does NOT require any attempts at blocking or preventing ejaculation, since when KSMO is done correctly, THERE IS >>NO<< "POINT OF NO RETURN" TO BLOCK!
- Adept Storms from the Netherlands checked in and discussed how a very heavy work schedule had impaired his capacity for KSMO, and Jack and others offered some suggestions.
- Newbie Simon then checked in with a progress report, and Jack reviewed the basic KSMO protocol with him. In doing so, Simon was able to identify what was getting in his way, and this inspired Jack to commit to print the "KSMO Checklist" he mentally uses when helping people resolve blocks to progress.
- vesta then reported attempts at learning multiples before learning about KSMO.
- Pan then asked (Adept) Mari about what benefits for her KSMO practice her experience with martial arts has had. Mari then proceeded to give a very articulate description of the relationship between her approach to energy in Karate, and how that relates to her KSMO practice.
- Finally, Robert from Wales checked in. He's completely new to the process and shared his thoughts and questions about what had been discussed.
- Chat included KSMO veterans Drew and Pan, as well as Jack, joined by newbies 'Rags' from Oklahoma, Jeremy from Hong Kong, and Noel from Indiana.
- Chat addresses changing attitudes toward relationship of erection and multiple orgasm, including the realization that erection is ***NOT*** necessary to enjoy multiple orgasms... THEY HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT ERECTION.
- Other topics include:
- why people started using this program
- detailed descriptions of the seemingly fractal variety of feelings and quality of the multiple orgasms
- confirmation of A ***VERY CLEAR RELATIONSHIP*** >>>THE MORE SLOWLY YOU PROCEED, THE ***MORE INTENSE THE ORGASMIC PLEASURE*** ***AT EVERY STAGE*** OF THE LEARNING PROCESS ***AND THEREAFTER***
- when and how to introduce this experience to a partner
- specific tips for newbies from Jack
- how long it takes to learn
- further emphasis on learning to slow down the pace of stimulation
- consideration that our culture is over-stimulated but underaroused
- Key Sound Multiple Orgasms and how they help recovery from spinal injury... one person's story
- tips about when to use the Aneros perineo-prostate stimulator
- Rags, who'd been practicing for about a week and already experiencing postive effects, described his changing attitude towards the role of erection.
- bobbyd asked the excellent question: "Why did you start using this program?", and the group responded in succession.
- Rags asked about the variety of orgasmic feelings he's already beginning to experience. Pan and Drew commented in detail re: their experience of the variety.
- Pan made an excellent point that he noticed that the more slowly he went at the early stages, the more intense the orgasms were when they started happening. Jack linked this directly to level of higher arousal is achieved by going more slowly.
- Pan responded to rags' question about when to introduce this process to a partner.
- Jack then gave Jeremy some specific tips for continuing his practice, and summarized the very simple Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger protocol, of which most readers will benefit.
- Noel then asked how long it takes to get on the right track. Doug asked a similar question, and the KSMO veterans shared their insights and suggestions.
- The veterans all emphasized the importance of learning to SLOW DOWN the stimulation to allow the arousal to build.
- Jack introduced the theme that as a culture, we are: "Over-stimulated and Under-aroused."
- Pan then shared a very moving excerpt from his story about learning KSMO... how he was in so much pain from his spinal cord injury, that he doubted he could ever be lucky enough to learn this, yet he did!
- Noel asked about the proper time to introduce the Aneros perineo-prostate stimulator into practice, as an option, and the veterans shared their views and experience.
- Jack was joined by Drew (a KSMO 'Adept', i.e. someone who has learned how to enjoy multiples using this method, withOUT any form of 'ejaculation control') SuperJets from Israel who has returned after some absence with some new questions, Pan (Adept living in California), Mari (female Adept living in California), and Rags (newbie,Oklahoma).
- Superjets began by asking was about learning to "control" erection. As part of the discussion Jack recommended a book, the Hazards of Being Male, that includes an excellent chapter called "The Wisdom of the Penis" by Herb Goldberg and mentioned that he'll be adding a "Resources" area to the site in the near future with recommended reading, etc.
- Jack confirmed and elaborated on the fact that using the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm(tm) (aka 'KSMO'(tm)) method, it is truly possible to experience extremely high, multi-orgasmic levels of arousal without any erection whatsoever, and referred him to the free streaming audio Success Stories to hear people confirm this in their own voice.
- He next assisted 'rags' from Oklahoma in determining that he was probably following into the most common block for men in learning the KSMO: too much stimulation too soon, which leads to the infamous "Point of No Return" that is the "leading edge" of the ejaculation reflex being triggered.
- He also offered tips for releasing this tendency so rags could proceed to enjoying true multiple orgasms without any use of ejaculation control, and commented how many women really like the idea of a male partner's not being obsessed with contstant erection, and 'performance', but rather going more slowly and taking the time to become more fully aroused, which is more harmonic with most women's pattern of arousal, and thus promotes a greater intimate connection.
- Jack next gave Superjets some more tips re: addressing the very common tendency to overstimulate while learning the KSMO method, and detailed why and how one can learn, even without any erection whatsoever, to experience non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms that are consistently way more intense than any orgasms previously experienced with ejaculation. He also detailed how this is accomplished without ANY need for the distracting artificiality of ANY kind of ejaculation control gimmicks such as PC squeeze, stop/start, etc.
- Jack then gives a brief, yet detailed review of the very simple Key Sound Multiple Orgasm protocol.
- Rags asked about what role the Aneros perineo-prostate stimulator may optionally play in enhancing these experiences.
- [Note: For more information about the Aneros, click the Order Now button/link and read about it in the catalog. Also: Read in the Live Forum how others describe using the Aneros in combination with the KSMO method. See the Forum Conference titled: "Aneros perineo-prostate stimulator and the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger".]
- Next Jack offers suggestions about where on the website one may learn more about 'Echo Effects', and proceeds to give further tips about how to recognize the clues our body gives us when one is not following the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger (KSMO) protocol correctly, and how to get back on track.
- Superjets asks a few questions about how to go about sharing this information with others, when so many people are so burned out on ejaculation control methods, but are skeptical of alternatives to it. Jack and Rags offer their viewpoints.
- Next Superjets asks an excellent question about what is indicated when, as excitement builds, the testicles start to draw up inside. Jack and Pan (another 'KSMO Adept') share what they have learned this means: It's an important warning sign!
- Rags then asks the group about whether or not one needs to be concerned about maintaining a constant erection, and Pan gives an EXCELLENT suggestion.
- Next Superjets expresses concern about learning to slow down enough to avoid setting up the ejaculation reflex, when with a partner.
- Both Pan and Jack respond to his question with a practical approach, and suggestions.
- Mari (also an Adept) then expresses HER viewpoint about this issue of men learning to slow down enough, and what it means to her as a woman, as well as what's really important to her in intimate sexual relationship with a man. Key Sound Multiple Orgasm without requiring male Ejaculation Control Chat 0094
- Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adepts Drew, blissful1, and Jack assisted two newbies, augustusgloop and doh, giving very detailed assistance for dealing with the MOST COMMON MISTAKE that people make when learning the KSMO method: TOO MUCH STIMULATION; discussion then moves to the role of the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger as an AMPLIFIER OF AROUSAL.
- Augustusgloop began by asking for assistance in determining whether or not he was using too stimulation. Jack and the other Adepts offered suggestions for ways to recognize when one is using too much stimulation, and made detailed suggestions for correcting this very common tendency.
- Tips then followed for recognizing the "larger-than- average in-breath" which is essential for learning how to TIME the use of the Key Sound, in order to stimulate the automatic Echo Effects that at higher levels of arousal blossom into multiple orgasms without ejaculation control. Jack made a SIGNIFICANT POINT that this AUTOMATIC CHANGE IN BREATHING is VERY SUBTLE.
- Jack details a LIST OF COMMON MISTAKES that people usually make when beginning to learn the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger. These are the habits that one must UNlearn in order to be able to open to the waves of multiple orgasms, without even feeling a "Point of No Return".
- At the same time, he offers a LIST OF THE CONDITIONS THAT SET THE STAGE FOR EJACULATION, and he then details how proper use of the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger helps you avoid ALL of these conditions, yet at the same time learning how to enjoy waves of intensely pleasurable multiple orgasms, without any sense of having to use ejaculation control.
- Jack explains why it's so important to use VERY LITTLE stimulation to learn how to tune into the SUBTLE SIGNALS (the "Echo Effects") that your body AUTOMATICALLY give you that LEAD YOU TO MULTIPLE ORGASM WITHOUT EJACULATION CONTROL.
- ***Aug then reports difficulty in slowing down his rate of stimulation, that in effect he feels rather compelled to stimulate quickly and vigorously. Jack offers some insights about how this pattern gets established and how it can be broken, and some tips about STARTING slowly, and then continuing at a very slow pace like that. Additional tips are also offered.
- doh then checks in to report that before learning the Key Sound method, he has already begun to experience certain pleasure waves that appear to be Echo Effects. Jack used this opportunity to detail the role of the Key Sound as an AMPLIFIER OF AROUSAL that when practiced correctly is COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT of triggering ejaculation or even a sense of a Point of No Return, thus leading to multiple orgasms without ejaculation control.
- Aug then asks how it is that LESS STIMULATION actually is the way to enjoying multiple orgasms without ejaculation control, and Jack details how that's at the core of the secret to learning multiple orgasm without ejaculation control, since it is the basis for learning how to BYPASS RATHER THAN BLOCK ejaculation.
- During this portion of the discussion, Aug realizes that his persistent vigorous stimulation during masturbation has actually led to a desensitization of his penis, which has apparently led to perpetuating the tendency for ever greater and more vigorous stimulation. Jack offers suggestions for breaking out of this loop, by applying the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger method correctly.
- doh, a gay man, also mentions the tendency to use very vigorous stimulation, which leads to ejaculation, but due to the ejaculation, the orgasms are very limited, thus leaving him (and his partner) very unsatisfied.
- Jack also refers the newbies (and you, reader!) to the "Ejaculation Compulsion" discussion in the Live Forum.
- Adept Drew defined Echo Effects according to his experience, and detailed his personal benefits for learning to slow down and open to the intense feelings, and to transcend the fears that came up. He then shared a bit of his story, during his participation in this online community since 1995/6 (first appearing in Chat 0020. See the Archived Chats Q & A).
- Jman from the North Central U.S. reports multiple orgasm success without needing to use ejaculation control by using Jack's Key Sound Multiple Orgasm without requiring male Ejaculation Control Trigger (KSMO) method, description by Jman of 'Heartgasms', questions about use of the Aneros in combination with KSMO, newbie questions about how much time is required to learn KSMO, partner issues, etc., Jack details key differences between KSMO and ejaculation control methods, detailed description of the role of 'Echo Effects'.
- Adept Jman begins by describing how for him the Key Sound Multiple Orgasms keep getting better and better. He shares details about the increase of intensity and of variety of the orgasms as they include more and more of his entire body.
- He also offered some tips for being able to open up even more to the "Heartgasms" we talk about as we open even more to the multi-orgasmic energy flowing throughout our >>entire<< body and not just localizing in our genitals. He also describes what "Heartgasm" is like for him.
- Jman also confirmed that he had never experienced orgasms nearly as intense or dramatic as he now does after learning how to use the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm without requiring male Ejaculation Control Trigger to enjoy all of the multiple orgasms he wants without needing ejaculation control.
- Jman then asked if he might benefit from getting an Aneros perineo-prostate stimulator, since he already knows how to have multiple orgasms, thanks to using the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm without requiring male Ejaculation Control Trigger. Jack gave him a number of comments and suggestions about the benefits, including mentioning the story of the very courageous KSMO Adept, Robert S, whose story is in the streaming audio Success Stories area of the website.
- Next, steward, a newbie, asked several questions including wondering if KSMO was self-hypnosis, how long it took to learn, and if a partner is required to learn it. Adept Jman responded.
- As part of this discussion, Jack then described the differences between the conditions that set the stage for a "Point of No Return" and ejaculation versus the conditions that lead to MULTIPLE orgasms withOUT feeling any "Point of No Return" and thus having no need to practice "ejaculation control".
- Steward asked for additional details on the notion of Echo Effects and Jack and Jman provided further details of how these Echo Effects get triggered, and how as arousal increases the Echo Effects turn into multiple orgasms.
- Differences between ejaculation control methodsand the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger (KSMO) method, how heterosexual lovemaking is different after learning the KSMO method, use of the Aneros perineo-prostate stimulator in combination with the KSMO Trigger method.
- Christian began by asking how it is that this method is equally effective for women, and Jack offered details about the difference between a multi-orgasmic method that is based on ejaculation control, and the method he discovered, the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger (KSMO), which is based on amplifying AROUSAL, completely independent of any need to control ejaculation.
- MtmMan wondered about what hetersexual lovemaking was like once one learns how to enjoy multiple orgasms in this way, and Jack pointed him to resources on the website for getting answers.
- Christian then asked "Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adept" Drew if with this method each successive orgasm gets a little less, which was Christian's experience using Barbara Keesling's (ejaculation control) method.
- Part 1: (very brief): Question about Key Sound when English is not one's native language, and information on how to purchase the seminar by mail when outside of the U.S.
- Part 2: EXCELLENT summary of the very simple Key Sound Multiple Orgasm protocol (NO EJACULATION CONTROL NECESSARY), as well as detailed TIPS FOR AVOIDING the most common traps and sidetracks resulting from past masturbation habits leading to ejaculation.
- Part 1: (very brief) "Hono" from Mexico City began the chat by asking Jack some questions about the Key Sound. Hono at this time had not yet purchased the audio seminar, and Jack reassured him that he is nevertheless very welcome to come to the free chats to get his questions answered.
- Hono asked if the Key Sound would be different in Spanish, that is, if it needed to be translated. Jack assured him that it did not need to be translated since there are no words in the sound. It is a UNIVERSAL sound, and will work no matter what language one speaks.
- Hono then asked for some help in placing an international order by mail and Jack gave him the details.
- Part 2: Simon (in Texas) requested help in identifying the causes of being stuck. Jack helped him identify where he was stuck, while re-articulating the basic Key Sound Multiple Orgasm protocol, as well as detailing for him and for YOU a number of the common traps that get in people's way as they learn how to enjoy multiple orgasms without ejaculation control by using the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger.
- This is a very good chat because it involves Jack's step by step coaching of practitioners at three different stages of progress:
- ron_m, a total newbie (hadn't purchased the audio seminar yet),
- Fingerz88, who is about 25% of the way (i.e., starting to get moderately strong Echo Effects in response to correct use of the Key Sound, and
- dbarnett who with VERY intense Echo Effects is JUST at the VERY THRESHOLD of opening to full-blown multiple orgasms without ejaculation, and NOTE that he also reports this super high arousal with no erection!
- dbarnett began the chat by reporting that after reviewing the transcript of a previous chat, he realized that he may need to make some corrections in his practice. He went on to describe that he is now able to experience very high states of arousal with no erection, just by thinking about or lightly touching his hot spots. Jack confirmed that db is getting very strong Echo Effects.
- Jack then reviewed the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm protocol "checklist" to see where a change might enable db to cross the threshold into the multi-orgasmic zone.
- When Jack asked him what his breathing was like during these intense Echo Effects, db noted that in fact he had a tendency to >>hold his breath<<... Jack noted that this may be the crux of the matter: when you hold your breath, you are blocking the energy flow and the full multi-orgasmic release.
- db noted that although he had no erection at all, he felt extremely highly aroused. Jack reminded him that all 3 of the male Success Stories posted so far to the streaming audio area spontaneously reported this same condition as the multiples began.
- Jack emphasized that if db could avoid getting impatient or frustrated, and instead of holding his breath at that peak moment, to go ahead and use the Key Sound, he could go multi-orgasmic fairly soon.
- ron_m (age 66) then checked in for the first time. He mentioned that he hadn't purchased the audio seminar yet, but Jack reassured him that he is still very welcome to come to the chats and get his questions answered.
- He reported that although sexually very active, lately he hadn't been able to reach orgasm-with-ejaculation.
- Jack asked if he'd be willing to do some solo practice to learn this method, and then share it with his partner once he learned, and he agreed.
- Next, fingerz88 checked in and reported that he was quite busy with exams and the like, but was looking forward to practicing in more stress-free setting. He DID report that he was starting to get Echo Effects, however!
- Jack then did a detailed review of the basic protocol, and re-introduced the "pushing water in the bathtub" metaphor which Fingerz (and many others prior) have felt very helpful in understanding how this works (with thanks to the Adept who posted that suggestion in the Forum!)
- Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Adept Jonathan (aka "Ambient") describes how knowing how to share multiple orgasm with his girlfriend has affected their relationship
- Intensive and detailed newbie coaching sessions.
- Dec 14 In the first hour, Key Sound Multiple Orgasm (aka "KSMO") Adept Jonathan, aka "Ambient" shared his experiences, including with what this has been like, sharing it with his girlfriend of 7 months.
- Jack began by thanking him for all of his EXCELLENT recent posts to the Live Forum.
- Jonathan described some of the "therapeutic" benefits he's experienced by learning to use the KSMO.
- He first talked about how learning to have multiple orgasms in this way has given him a great motivation to work through the emotional wounds that remain for him... so that the pleasure and orgasmic energy can flow even more freely through his "emotional body".
- He discussed how his learning to open to these multiple orgasms has made him aware of some deep feelings of not being "worthy" to feel THIS much pleasure.
- Jonathan related these feelings to childhood abuse.
- Jack asked if Jon was getting professional counseling assistance to help heal them and Jon confirmed that he is.
- Jon described how his relationship with his girlfriend is going to a much deeper level, yet when they are making love the pleasure is so intense that at the very time they are in ecstacy, hi